Re: [vre_ig] Looking for authoritative definitions for VRE, VLab, Science...

22 Feb 2018

Dear Leo, dear Keith,

this is a discussion we haven't solved yet because I think there is a
different understanding of VREs/SGs/VLs between the communities. My
understanding is that they describe exactly the same systems and not that
there are the differences. At least I hope that we get to this
understanding instead of searching for distinguishing them from each other.

I hope that helps.

Thanks,
Sandra

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Sandra Gesing
Research Assistant Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
University of Notre Dame
http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:27 AM,
keith.jeffery@keithgjefferyconsultants.co.uk <
keith.jeffery@keithgjefferyconsultants.co.uk> wrote:

> Leo –
>
> For VRE I rely on the JISC definition at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/guides/
> implementing-a-virtual-research-environment-vre and specifically:
>
> “Virtual Research Environments (VREs) start from a similar premise,
> providing an integrated suite of teaching and learning, and management and
> administration tools - whilst also including specialist analytical and
> research tools. As with all new technologies, much of the nature and
> direction of VREs is continuing to evolve.”
>
>
>
> For SG I rely on ICSG: http://www.icsciencegateways.
> org/what-is-a-science-gateway/ specifically:
>
> “A Science Gateway (or Virtual Research Environment/Virtual Laboratory)
> is a community-developed set of tools, applications, and data collections
> that are integrated through a tailored web-based environment. Often Science
> Gateways leverage larger scale facilities to increase access and enable
> collaboration. Gateways can be used to tackle common scientific goals as
> well as offering resources for educating students and informing
> non-experts.”
>
>
>
> For VL it is more difficult. The original concept is defned in Wikipedia
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Laboratory but refers to a
> domain-specific environment, nonetheless it includes a wide range of
> offerings (including e.g. publications, equipment etc). The Australian VL
> concept is less broad n some dimensions and equally broad in others.
>
>
>
> So for me a VRE is a superset of VL is a superset of SG
>
>
>
> Does that help?
>
> Best
>
> Keith
>
>
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> *Subject:* [vre_ig] Looking for authoritative definitions for VRE, VLab,
> Science Gateway, ...
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>
> Dear VRE-IG members,
>
> we all know VRE, VLab, Science Gateway are terms often used as synonyms
> ... this was discussed in the group many times.
>
> I'm wondering whether there is any document / report / paper worth
> suggesting for definitions on terms including VREs, VLabs, Science Gateways
> et simila.
>
> Besides definition it will be great if you can provide me with documents
> aiming at highlighting the differences (if any) among these terms.
>
> Thanks for your support.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leo
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  • Lesley Wyborn's picture

    Author: Lesley Wyborn

    Date: 22 Feb, 2018

    Dear all

    Leo asked for a definition of a VL, so I gave him one from Australia where the term Virtual Laboratory is more widely used.

    The term ‘VRE’ is much more common in European, whilst the term ‘Science Gateways’ is more common in the USA.

    However, I agree with Sandra.

    The last 2 RDA plenaries (Barcelona, Montreal) we have had teams from the US, Australia, and Europe answering questions about how each approach different topics within their respective SG/VL/VREs, and for the most part as Sandra says, we seemed to be describing almost the same thing.

    In the end, the consensus was to retain the separate names, because these are in essence the terms by which each are known by the funders/funding schemes in their respective continents of origin. And as we all know, one does not want to cause too much grief for oneself with the funders!

    Take care

    Lesley

    From: on behalf of Sandra Gesing
    Date: Thursday, 22 February 2018 at 8:47 pm
    To: Keith Jeffrey , "Virtual Research Environment IG (VRE-IG)"
    Cc: "leonardo.candela"
    Subject: [vre_ig] Re: [vre_ig] Looking for authoritative definitions for VRE, VLab, Science...

    Dear Leo, dear Keith,

    this is a discussion we haven't solved yet because I think there is a different understanding of VREs/SGs/VLs between the communities. My understanding is that they describe exactly the same systems and not that there are the differences. At least I hope that we get to this understanding instead of searching for distinguishing them from each other.

    I hope that helps.

    Thanks,
    Sandra

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    Sandra Gesing
    Research Assistant Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
    http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
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    On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:27 AM, keith.jeffery@keithgjefferyconsultants.co.uk > wrote:
    Leo –
    For VRE I rely on the JISC definition at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/guides/implementing-a-virtual-research-environmen... and specifically:
    “Virtual Research Environments (VREs) start from a similar premise, providing an integrated suite of teaching and learning, and management and administration tools - whilst also including specialist analytical and research tools. As with all new technologies, much of the nature and direction of VREs is continuing to evolve.”

    For SG I rely on ICSG: http://www.icsciencegateways.org/what-is-a-science-gateway/ specifically:
    “A Science Gateway (or Virtual Research Environment/Virtual Laboratory) is a community-developed set of tools, applications, and data collections that are integrated through a tailored web-based environment. Often Science Gateways leverage larger scale facilities to increase access and enable collaboration. Gateways can be used to tackle common scientific goals as well as offering resources for educating students and informing non-experts.”

    For VL it is more difficult. The original concept is defned in Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Laboratory but refers to a domain-specific environment, nonetheless it includes a wide range of offerings (including e.g. publications, equipment etc). The Australian VL concept is less broad n some dimensions and equally broad in others.

    So for me a VRE is a superset of VL is a superset of SG

    Does that help?
    Best
    Keith

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    Sent: 22 February 2018 09:03
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    Subject: [vre_ig] Looking for authoritative definitions for VRE, VLab, Science Gateway, ...

    Dear VRE-IG members,

    we all know VRE, VLab, Science Gateway are terms often used as synonyms ... this was discussed in the group many times.

    I'm wondering whether there is any document / report / paper worth suggesting for definitions on terms including VREs, VLabs, Science Gateways et simila.

    Besides definition it will be great if you can provide me with documents aiming at highlighting the differences (if any) among these terms.

    Thanks for your support.

    Regards,

    Leo
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