Scheduling pre-P11 call and supporting output discussion call

Dear all,
I you have not indicated your availability in the two Doodle calls below
but wish to participate, please do so soon as I would like to fix the
dates by next week. The two meetings concerned are about reviewing and
resubmitting the supporting output and a pre-P11 call where we will
decide how to conduct the use case driver presentations for the plenary
session.
Best, Tobias

Dear all,
thank you for stating your availabilities.
We will meet virtually on:
1.) Supporting output discussion: Wed, January 31, 13:00 UTC
2.) Pre-P11 session planning: Wed, March 7, 12:00 UTC
Looking forward to the discussions.
Best, Tobias
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Dr. Tobias Weigel
Abteilung Datenmanagement
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH (DKRZ)
Bundesstraße 45 a • 20146 Hamburg • Germany
Phone: +49 40 460094-104
Email: ***@***.***
URL: http://www.dkrz.de
ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0002-4040-0215
Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Thomas Ludwig
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg
Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 39784

Dear all,
just a brief reminder that tomorrow, Jan 31, 13:00 UTC we will have a
final discussion of the supporting output document (we will not discuss
P11 items - those will be at the March 7 meeting). I have already gone
through the comments made and made some minor changes to the
recommendation doc, mostly clarifying some points that were apparently
confusing. See attached. Changes are to be minimal as the document was
already discussed and worked out in detail last year. The goal of
tomorrow's call should simply be to review the comments and changes made
and make a decision on whether we are fine with endorsing the final
document.
Call details:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/422822397
Access Code: 422-822-397
More phone numbers
United States: +1 (669) 224-3319
Canada: +1 (647) 497-9379
Finland: +358 923 17 0556
France: +33 170 950 590
Germany: +49 692 5736 7300
Italy: +39 0 230 57 81 80
Netherlands: +31 707 709 520
Sweden: +46 775 757 471
United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011
Best, Tobias
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Dr. Tobias Weigel
Abteilung Datenmanagement
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH (DKRZ)
Bundesstraße 45 a • 20146 Hamburg • Germany
Phone: +49 40 460094-431
Email: ***@***.***
URL: http://www.dkrz.de
ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0002-4040-0215
Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Thomas Ludwig
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg
Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 39784

Dear Tobias,
I've looked again at the document and still find some parts confusing or thin. It would help if some more explanation could be included. Specifically,
(1. It would help if the document had page numbers).
2. Top of page 8 – talks about the persistent PID record (like a persistent DNS record?) should persistently bind the context of digital objects. What does "persistently bind the context" actually mean?
3. Also top of page 8, makes a distinction between PIDs and DOIs. It's not clear why and it's missing as to what PID is proposed (I assume something other than DOI). It's implied as EPIC in the Recommendations Summary but not equally / sufficiently explicit in the main body of text.
4. Also top of page 8, makes a distinction between registering a DO to make it part of the domain of visible and findable data, and publishing a DO. Different PIDs are proposed in each case but it’s not clear why. And presumably, if on deposition the trusted repository mints a DOI then the requirement is satisfied?
5. Footnote 13 doesn’t appear to bear any relation to the word ‘interoperability’ it is attached to. What does footnote 13 actually mean and why is it relevant here? It seems contradictory to what is the bullet list, which says to use a broadly used knowledge representation language. Another footnote would help to indicate what are considered to be broadly used knowledge representation languages. Again, ducking the technical choice as with PIDs.
I hope this is helpful. I will join the call on Wednesdsay.
Kind regards
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Alex
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Dear all,
just a brief reminder that tomorrow, Jan 31, 13:00 UTC we will have a final discussion of the supporting output document (we will not discuss
P11 items - those will be at the March 7 meeting). I have already gone through the comments made and made some minor changes to the recommendation doc, mostly clarifying some points that were apparently confusing. See attached. Changes are to be minimal as the document was already discussed and worked out in detail last year. The goal of tomorrow's call should simply be to review the comments and changes made and make a decision on whether we are fine with endorsing the final document.
Call details:
https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/422822397
Access Code: 422-822-397
More phone numbers
United States: +1 (669) 224-3319
Canada: +1 (647) 497-9379
Finland: +358 923 17 0556
France: +33 170 950 590
Germany: +49 692 5736 7300
Italy: +39 0 230 57 81 80
Netherlands: +31 707 709 520
Sweden: +46 775 757 471
United Kingdom: +44 20 3713 5011
Best, Tobias
--
Dr. Tobias Weigel
Abteilung Datenmanagement
Deutsches Klimarechenzentrum GmbH (DKRZ) Bundesstraße 45 a • 20146 Hamburg • Germany
Phone: +49 40 460094-431
Email: ***@***.***
URL: http://www.dkrz.de
ORCID: orcid.org/0000-0002-4040-0215
Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Thomas Ludwig Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hamburg Amtsgericht Hamburg HRB 39784

Thanks to everyone who attended.
Minutes are here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xyh0PfRVSxhutplAcwDB64-_zq-pdqIxYNf2...
The new summary doc will condensate here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GRbXI1p4xcH2R-qLLjc5bLBEyt0d-2NKc61X...
Best, Tobias