AW: [synchronisation-assembly] [rda-oab][synchronisation-assembly] US future thoughts

01 May 2016

Thanks Jamie,

interesting point. How do you want to organise things?
I would like to understand how to do things practically. Currently I see that when organising an event based on some request we will find good experts from our RDA members base whom we could ask to run a course etc. They have shown in the groups where they are heading to, they have indicated their use cases or adoption stories, etc. It's all on the wiki.

The 500.000 data scientists you are talking about are a huge mass indeed - some of them we as individuals know per accident and if we are lucky we know in detail what they are doing, where they have deep knowledge, what they could contribute, etc. So when we would organise a meeting on preservation I know that for example you have done a lot, but don't know details. Yet there is no adoption story or WG/IG output about that.

So what is your suggestion?

best
peter

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Jamie Shiers [mailto:Jamie.Shiers@cern.ch]
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Mai 2016 08:56
> An: Wittenburg, Peter
> Cc: Hugh Shanahan; RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA);
> leif.laaksonen@csc.fi; Mark Parsons; Berman, Fran; RDA Organisational
> Assembly / Organisational Advisory Board (OAB); Simon CODATA; Harrison,
> Andrew
> Betreff: Re: [synchronisation-assembly] [rda-oab][synchronisation-assembly]
> US future thoughts
>
> Dear Peter and all,
>
> It is very good that so many of us see training as a key output / deliverable.
>
> And it is clear that there is only so much that a small team can do.
>
> Hence the proposal to leverage the ~4000 strong “RDA Collaboration”.
>
> But equally important IMHO is to balance “push” with “pull” (from the
> organisations / projects that the “RDA Collaboration” represents and bridges
> to). (The bi-directional engagement as I call it).
>
> Then we could truly say: “The Worldwide RDA Collaboration, that represents
> science at all scales, mobilises to target the “missing 500,000” data scientists.
> It offers training not only core data principles and values but also addresses
> the specific needs of the various communities and projects concerned. This
> allows the RDA to implements its vision of "researchers and innovators
> openly sharing data across technologies and disciplines and countries to
> address the grand challenges of society”.
>
> Scalable. Sustainable. Implementable. Workable.
>
> Cheers, Jamie
>
> > On 30 Apr 2016, at 16:16, Peter Wittenburg
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Hugh, all,
> >
> > did you ever see the training page – please look here:
> > http://europe.rd-alliance.org/training-programme
> > Our primary focus for out training efforts as RDA EU is to disseminate the
> RDA global results, but we also do slightly more. And also the other regions
> will have some activities in this respect. Since all material is open we can all
> share our efforts.
> >
> > So we are already doing training, organise this with a very small team and it
> is a huge challenge to organise up to 3 or 4 events per month. In all this we
> act as a broker between interested people and some experts which we can
> make use of from the 4000 RDA experts. It may be that you find the focus of
> the training courses wrong, but then please fill in the request for ideas and
> wishes.
> >
> > Let me add here that we are pleased that EDISON volunteered to create a
> framework which allows us to synchronise training efforts across Europe.
> > And I should also mention (and that is perhaps as important as what is
> > said above) that various countries are doing training courses
> > organised by active RDA groups and often these national courses are
> > supported by RDA Europe. As an example just look
> > here:https://www.dkrz.de/Nutzerportal/veranstaltungen-1/de-rda-de-trai
> > ningsworkshop-2016
> >
> > So Hugh – what is missing and can you do more with a small team?
> >
> > best
> > Peter
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 2821 49180
> > peter.wittenburg@mpcdf.de ; peter.wittenburg@mpi.nl
> >
> > RDA Europe Director, RDA TAB Member, EUDAT Scientific Advisor
> >
> > Senior Advisor Data Systems, Max Planck Computing and Data Facility
> > Gießenbachstraße 2, 85748 Garching, Germany http://www.mpcdf.de,
> > http://www.mpcdf.de/~pewi
> >
> > former affiliation: MPI for Psycholinguistics, Nijmegen, The
> > Netherlands
> >
> > Von: Hugh Shanahan [mailto:hugh@cs.rhul.ac.uk]
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 30. April 2016 11:27
> > An: Jamie Shiers
> > Cc: Wittenburg, Peter; leif.laaksonen@csc.fi; Mark Parsons; Berman,
> > Fran; RDA Organisational Assembly / Organisational Advisory Board
> > (OAB); RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA); RDA Europe
> > Synchronisation Assembly (SyA)
> > (synchronisation-assembly@rda-groups-europe.org); Simon CODATA;
> > Harrison, Andrew
> > Betreff: Re: [rda-oab][synchronisation-assembly] US future thoughts
> >
> > Dear all
> > I wanted to follow up on the email from Jamie, namely his wish for the
> RDA to engage in training. I agree with him when refers to it as the under-
> utilised “killer app” of the RDA.
> > I don’t have to state the obvious that there is a huge requirement of Data
> Science skills in Research. What is important to note is the depth and
> breadth of training that is required. The skills required change subtly from
> those working in a domain dominated by Volume and/or Velocity issues such
> as High Energy Physics and Bioinformatics to those mostly facing the Variety
> issue (in, for example, the Long Tail of Research).
> > It’s also important to point out that training for specialists in Data Science
> is key, but training for the large numbers of researchers who will need to
> have a moderate understanding of a variety of different topics within Data
> Science is also essential. The recent estimated figure of 500K researchers
> who need Data Science skills in Europe alone jumps out here.
> > There is an analogy here with Engineering – an Engineer will typically
> understand some Calculus, Mechanics, Thermodynamics and Linear Algebra
> and a variety of other topics. Obviously there are experts in all those fields
> but that doesn’t mean an Engineer should simply hand off any matrix
> inversion to an Applied Mathematician simply because she’s not done a PhD
> in the topic. As it is many researchers are wasting much of their time and
> effort re-inventing the wheel and view Open Research with suspicion
> because they don’t see the bigger picture.
> > The number of Masters programmes in Data Science around the world are
> growing rapidly but appear to be only addressing parts of the problem. As
> noted by one study from the EDISON project, these programmes are often
> focussed on particular sub-sets of Data Science rather than giving an
> overview. Hence the danger is that without some leadership Data Science
> will become a fractured discipline.
> > There is a need for an organisation to take the lead and propose, not
> dictate, best practices in Data Science from introductory to advanced levels;
> to point out that it’s necessary to have some understanding of all of it and
> the fact that being open with data and its analysis makes for more effective
> and efficient research; to set up the mechanisms to accredit individuals,
> courses and degree programmes to ensure quality and maximise impact.
> The RDA is ideally placed to do this. It has the authority based on its
> extensive grassroots community of experts and its array of funders.
> > I cannot think of a more effective way of achieving the goals of the RDA.
> > All the best
> > Hugh
> >
> > __________________________
> > Hugh Shanahan
> > Senior Lecturer in Bioinformatics
> > Hugh.Shanahan@rhul.ac.uk
> > http://www.shanahanlab.org
> > @hughshanahan
> > Skype hugh_shanahan
> > Tel +44 (0)1784 443433
> > orcid.org/0000-0003-1374-6015
> >
> >
> >
> > On 28 Apr 2016, at 11:00, Jamie Shiers wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Stimulated by these various discussions I have written a short very informal
> note (aka brain dump) that is attached.
> >
> > This lists 3 main points (as per Leif’s mail) although I confess to running out
> of steam, time and page limit (1 double side of A4) on the 3rd (and possibly
> most important) point.
> >
> > However, as the note says, I am sure others will weigh in on this point.
> >
> > Cheers, Jamie
> >
> >
> > On 27 Apr 2016, at 18:14, Peter Wittenburg
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear SyA members,
> >
> > Fran from RDA US allowed us to distribute this brainstorming note about
> the future of RDA. Please take it as what it is: first ideas on how RDA could
> move from the viewpoint of our US colleagues.
> >
> > I think it is a great resource to stimulate our discussions in Europe as well.
> >
> > best
> > peter
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Peter Wittenburg Tel: +49 2821 49180
> > peter.wittenburg@mpcdf.de ; peter.wittenburg@mpi.nl
> >
> >
> > Attached files:
> > RDA_US_2.0_Proposal.pdf
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  • Yuri Demchenko's picture

    Author: Yuri Demchenko

    Date: 01 May, 2016

    Dear Jamie, Peter, All,

    The discussion is really going in the direction that may combine and
    coordinate may individual activities.

    I would like to add couple of comments on RDA role in training from
    EDISON project and from community that we built around the RDA IG
    Education and Training on handling of research data (IG-ETRD).

    The EDISON project is developing a conceptual/foundational framework for
    Data Science professions family - this means including professional
    occupations from Data Scientists researchers to Data Stewards and
    Digital Librarians as examples. You can find all this described in our
    discussion documents at http://edison-project.eu/discussion-documents

    All EDISON activities and results are targeted for RDA community and
    regularly presented to IG-ETRD which represents worldwide RDA community.

    The proposed EDISON Data Science Competence Framework (CF-DS) defines 5
    required competence areas and (Research) Data Management (RDM/DM) is one
    of considered mandatory for all professional profiles.

    What we also discovered when studying existing Data Science programmes
    at universities is that RDM is not covered in almost all programmes. One
    of reasons is that there is no available standard/model RDM/DM curricula
    and correspondingly teaching staff.

    To address this gap, IG-ETRD at its last meeting at RDA7 in Tokyo
    decided to create a special WG on Research Data Management literacy.

    As part of EDISON activity we have already started consulting individual
    IG-ETRD members and partner projects in Europe to create academic model
    curriculum on RDM.

    We have intention to bring this initiative to wider RDA community and
    are ready to cooperate, in particular with CERN, where we already had
    initial information exchange about CF-DS with HR department.

    Hopefully, this information will be useful to further define RDA
    coordination activity on education and training on RDM topics.

    I will be ready to provide any details about IG-ETRD and EDISON activities.

    Best regards,

    Yuri Demchenko
    IG-ETRD co-chair
    EDISON Project coordinator

    On 01/05/2016 11:49, Peter Wittenburg wrote:
    > Thanks Jamie,
    >
    > interesting point. How do you want to organise things?
    > I would like to understand how to do things practically. Currently I see that when organising an event based on some request we will find good experts from our RDA members base whom we could ask to run a course etc. They have shown in the groups where they are heading to, they have indicated their use cases or adoption stories, etc. It's all on the wiki.
    >
    > The 500.000 data scientists you are talking about are a huge mass indeed - some of them we as individuals know per accident and if we are lucky we know in detail what they are doing, where they have deep knowledge, what they could contribute, etc. So when we would organise a meeting on preservation I know that for example you have done a lot, but don't know details. Yet there is no adoption story or WG/IG output about that.
    >
    > So what is your suggestion?
    >
    > best
    > peter
    >
    >
    >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
    >> Von: Jamie Shiers [mailto:Jamie.Shiers@cern.ch]
    >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Mai 2016 08:56
    >> An: Wittenburg, Peter
    >> Cc: Hugh Shanahan; RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA);
    >> leif.laaksonen@csc.fi; Mark Parsons; Berman, Fran; RDA Organisational
    >> Assembly / Organisational Advisory Board (OAB); Simon CODATA; Harrison,
    >> Andrew
    >> Betreff: Re: [synchronisation-assembly] [rda-oab][synchronisation-assembly]
    >> US future thoughts
    >>
    >> Dear Peter and all,
    >>
    >> It is very good that so many of us see training as a key output / deliverable.
    >>
    >> And it is clear that there is only so much that a small team can do.
    >>
    >> Hence the proposal to leverage the ~4000 strong “RDA Collaborationâ€

  • Yuri Demchenko's picture

    Author: Yuri Demchenko

    Date: 01 May, 2016

    Dear Jamie, Peter, All,

    The discussion is really going in the direction that may combine and
    coordinate may individual activities.

    I would like to add couple of comments on RDA role in training from
    EDISON project and from community that we built around the RDA IG
    Education and Training on handling of research data (IG-ETRD).

    The EDISON project is developing a conceptual/foundational framework for
    Data Science professions family - this means including professional
    occupations from Data Scientists researchers to Data Stewards and
    Digital Librarians as examples. You can find all this described in our
    discussion documents at http://edison-project.eu/discussion-documents

    All EDISON activities and results are targeted for RDA community and
    regularly presented to IG-ETRD which represents worldwide RDA community.

    The proposed EDISON Data Science Competence Framework (CF-DS) defines 5
    required competence areas and (Research) Data Management (RDM/DM) is one
    of considered mandatory for all professional profiles.

    What we also discovered when studying existing Data Science programmes
    at universities is that RDM is not covered in almost all programmes. One
    of reasons is that there is no available standard/model RDM/DM curricula
    and correspondingly teaching staff.

    To address this gap, IG-ETRD at its last meeting at RDA7 in Tokyo
    decided to create a special WG on Research Data Management literacy.

    As part of EDISON activity we have already started consulting individual
    IG-ETRD members and partner projects in Europe to create academic model
    curriculum on RDM.

    We have intention to bring this initiative to wider RDA community and
    are ready to cooperate, in particular with CERN, where we already had
    initial information exchange about CF-DS with HR department.

    Hopefully, this information will be useful to further define RDA
    coordination activity on education and training on RDM topics.

    I will be ready to provide any details about IG-ETRD and EDISON activities.

    Best regards,

    Yuri Demchenko
    IG-ETRD co-chair
    EDISON Project coordinator

    On 01/05/2016 11:49, Peter Wittenburg wrote:
    > Thanks Jamie,
    >
    > interesting point. How do you want to organise things?
    > I would like to understand how to do things practically. Currently I
    see that when organising an event based on some request we will find
    good experts from our RDA members base whom we could ask to run a course
    etc. They have shown in the groups where they are heading to, they have
    indicated their use cases or adoption stories, etc. It's all on the wiki.
    >
    > The 500.000 data scientists you are talking about are a huge mass
    indeed - some of them we as individuals know per accident and if we are
    lucky we know in detail what they are doing, where they have deep
    knowledge, what they could contribute, etc. So when we would organise a
    meeting on preservation I know that for example you have done a lot, but
    don't know details. Yet there is no adoption story or WG/IG output about
    that.
    >
    > So what is your suggestion?
    >
    > best
    > peter
    >
    >
    >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
    >> Von: Jamie Shiers [mailto:Jamie.Shiers@cern.ch]
    >> Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. Mai 2016 08:56
    >> An: Wittenburg, Peter
    >> Cc: Hugh Shanahan; RDA Europe Synchronisation Assembly (SyA);
    >> leif.laaksonen@csc.fi; Mark Parsons; Berman, Fran; RDA Organisational
    >> Assembly / Organisational Advisory Board (OAB); Simon CODATA; Harrison,
    >> Andrew
    >> Betreff: Re: [synchronisation-assembly]
    [rda-oab][synchronisation-assembly]
    >> US future thoughts
    >>
    >> Dear Peter and all,
    >>
    >> It is very good that so many of us see training as a key output /
    deliverable.
    >>
    >> And it is clear that there is only so much that a small team can do.
    >>
    >> Hence the proposal to leverage the ~4000 strong “RDA Collaborationâ€

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