RDA Geospatial IG - Update

12 Jul 2021
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Dear Co-chairs
We are contacting you with regard to your RDA Geospatial IG, more specifically to seek clarification on the Group’s level of activity. We note that the Group has not had a working session at an RDA Plenary since Plenary 11 and we have not seen any activity on the group page for some time.
The RDA wants groups to be active during their lifespan. At this point, your group looks like it is inactive and may need to be retired. However, we would be happy to support you in re-invigorating the group if you think this makes sense.
Please respond to this email by 12th August 2021 and let us know your preference. Of course, if you have any questions, we would be happy to answer them.
Thank you very much!
Best wishes
RDA Secretariat

  • Peter Baumann's picture

    Author: Peter Baumann

    Date: 21 Jul, 2021

    Dear secretariat,
    following several years with all sorts of attempts to activating the member body
    we had to accept that active member body participation is not achievable in this
    setup. Hence, I suggest to retire. However, this is only my personal view, and
    the co-chairs may wish to continue with the group and activate it.
    my 2 cents,
    Peter
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  • Seraphim Alvanides's picture

    Author: Seraphim Alvanides

    Date: 21 Jul, 2021

    Dear all,
    I agree with Peter's assessment, the Geospatial IG has not been active and
    we all seem to have limited time.
    It also does not help that there is a "competing" IG
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/esiprda-earth-space-and-environmental...
    ...in theory a good idea, but in practice confusing as we are all competing
    for limited attention spans and resources.
    Unless there is some way to "merge" the 2 IGs, I would suggest retiring
    Geospatial IG
    Regards,
    Seraphim
    On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 14:42, pebau via Geospatial IG <
    ***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    Dear all,
    I agree with Peter's assessment, the Geospatial IG has not been active and
    we all seem to have limited time.
    It also does not help that there is a "competing" IG
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/groups/esiprda-earth-space-and-environmental...
    ...in theory a good idea, but in practice confusing as we are all competing
    for limited attention spans and resources.
    Unless there is some way to "merge" the 2 IGs, I would suggest retiring
    Geospatial IG
    Regards,
    Seraphim
    On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 at 14:42, pebau via Geospatial IG <
    ***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    > Dear secretariat,
    >
    > following several years with all sorts of attempts to activating the
    > member body we had to accept that active member body participation is not
    > achievable in this setup.
    >

  • Benjamin Branch's picture

    Author: Benjamin Branch

    Date: 21 Jul, 2021

    Yes,
    We will look at ways to reinvigorate...
    What is needed to keep us going?
    Thanks,
    Dr. Branch
    On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Secretariat via Geospatial IG <
    ***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:

  • Joshua Lieberman's picture

    Author: Joshua Lieberman

    Date: 21 Jul, 2021

    Hi,
    With respect, a spatial / geospatial component cuts across the vast majority of scientific / research data, a bit like having an “Integer IG”. The group would need to have a more unique mission in order for it to be worth time from other geospatially oriented groups.
    There are both geospatial interoperability issues with much of the research (meta)data out there, and issues of effective research collaboration for geospatial data scientists. An IG charter that called out these issues, identified important relationships with other groups (such as the OGC University DWG or OGC-W3C SDW Interest Group to pick random examples), and specific goals such as advancement of O&M / SOSA / SSN / GeoSPARQL in research data might go someways towards activating the rather extensive membership list with which the Geospatial IG is blessed.
    Best Regards,
    Josh
    Josh Lieberman, Ph.D.
    Director Innovation Programs | Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
    Office: +1-617-431-6431 | @geospatialogist
    ***@***.*** | ogc.org | @opengeospatial

  • Lesley Wyborn's picture

    Author: Lesley Wyborn

    Date: 21 Jul, 2021

    Dear all
    As one of the co-chairs of the Earth, Space and Environmental sciences IG (ESES-IG) I would like to point out that the “space” in our title, refers to “Outer Space”, that is planetary, atmospheric, climate etc sciences. It is a term that is commonly accepted in the Solid Earth Science and Geophysics Community.
    It is somewhat a legacy title because both the American Geophysical Union and the European Geosciences Union (i.e., AGU and EGU) both have science divisions called “Earth and Space Science Informatics”.
    In the initial set up meetings of the ESES-IG this difference was made quite clear to then members of the Geospatial IG and to the TAB.
    I really do not believe there is any real overlap between the two groups, other than nearly all Solid Earth, planetary and atmospheric data does have a ‘geospatial component’ to it!
    Being more precise about how that ‘geospatial component’ is determined and expressed to me is the role of the Geospatial IG. And that ‘geospatial component’ is relevant to so many other IGs and WGs!
    Take care
    Lesley
    From: <***@***.***-groups.org> on behalf of JoshLieberman via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Reply to: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 4:02 am
    To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: "***@***.***-foundation.org" <***@***.***-foundation.org>, Peter Baumann
    <***@***.***-university.de>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, MIngfang Wu <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: [rda-geospatial-ig] RDA Geospatial IG - Update
    Hi,
    With respect, a spatial / geospatial component cuts across the vast majority of scientific / research data, a bit like having an “Integer IG”. The group would need to have a more unique mission in order for it to be worth time from other geospatially oriented groups.
    There are both geospatial interoperability issues with much of the research (meta)data out there, and issues of effective research collaboration for geospatial data scientists. An IG charter that called out these issues, identified important relationships with other groups (such as the OGC University DWG or OGC-W3C SDW Interest Group to pick random examples), and specific goals such as advancement of O&M / SOSA / SSN / GeoSPARQL in research data might go someways towards activating the rather extensive membership list with which the Geospatial IG is blessed.
    Best Regards,
    Josh
    Josh Lieberman, Ph.D.
    Director Innovation Programs | Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
    Office: +1-617-431-6431 | @geospatialogist
    ***@***.*** | ogc.org | @opengeospatial
    On Jul 21, 2021, at 12:53 PM, GeoEducator via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    Yes,
    We will look at ways to reinvigorate...
    What is needed to keep us going?
    Thanks,
    Dr. Branch
    On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Secretariat via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    Dear Co-chairs
    We are contacting you with regard to your RDA Geospatial IG, more specifically to seek clarification on the Group’s level of activity. We note that the Group has not had a working session at an RDA Plenary since Plenary 11 and we have not seen any activity on the group page for some time.
    The RDA wants groups to be active during their lifespan. At this point, your group looks like it is inactive and may need to be retired. However, we would be happy to support you in re-invigorating the group if you think this makes sense.
    Please respond to this email by 12th August 2021 and let us know your preference. Of course, if you have any questions, we would be happy to answer them.
    Thank you very much!
    Best wishes
    RDA Secretariat
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  • Alexander Kmoch's picture

    Author: Alexander Kmoch

    Date: 22 Jul, 2021

    Dear all,
    I feel Josh gave some good directions I feel also should be accounted
    for in the RDA Geospatial IG. Geospatial / Interoperabiliy work is done
    on many levels across many forums, but in particular within the OGC and
    OSGEO communities. These are nicely connected. There are many
    developments happening in other places which are of interest to general
    geospatial data in research. The focus on geospatial in research data
    should be brought out more and the purpose of the IG - is it
    communication? Standards and tech are developed elsewhere to be honest,
    but supporting those groups/communities with the requirements identified
    in particular in the research domain would be helpful, I believe. Every
    now and then Data Management Plan recommendations and metadata
    provision, use cases/best practices, those things could be worked on and
    updated on regular basis?
    Best regards,
    Alex

  • Secretariat Group Account's picture

    Author: Secretariat Gro...

    Date: 22 Jul, 2021

    Dear Co-chairs, all
    Based on your discussions and some positive responses towards reinvigorating the Group we would like to suggest you consider putting together and submitting a refreshed charter for the Interest Group.
    Let us know if we can be of any help.
    Best wishes
    RDA Secretariat
    ________________________________
    From: ***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> on behalf of Lesley Wyborn via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Sent: 21 July 2021 20:59
    To: ***@***.*** <***@***.***>; ***@***.*** <***@***.***>; Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Secretariat <***@***.***-foundation.org>; ***@***.***-university.de
    <***@***.***-university.de>; ***@***.*** <***@***.***>; ***@***.*** <***@***.***>; ***@***.*** <***@***.***>; ***@***.*** <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: [rda-geospatial-ig] RDA Geospatial IG - Update
    Dear all
    As one of the co-chairs of the Earth, Space and Environmental sciences IG (ESES-IG) I would like to point out that the “space” in our title, refers to “Outer Space”, that is planetary, atmospheric, climate etc sciences. It is a term that is commonly accepted in the Solid Earth Science and Geophysics Community.
    It is somewhat a legacy title because both the American Geophysical Union and the European Geosciences Union (i.e., AGU and EGU) both have science divisions called “Earth and Space Science Informatics”.
    In the initial set up meetings of the ESES-IG this difference was made quite clear to then members of the Geospatial IG and to the TAB.
    I really do not believe there is any real overlap between the two groups, other than nearly all Solid Earth, planetary and atmospheric data does have a ‘geospatial component’ to it!
    Being more precise about how that ‘geospatial component’ is determined and expressed to me is the role of the Geospatial IG. And that ‘geospatial component’ is relevant to so many other IGs and WGs!
    Take care
    Lesley
    From: <***@***.***-groups.org> on behalf of JoshLieberman via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Reply to: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Thursday, 22 July 2021 at 4:02 am
    To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: "***@***.***-foundation.org" <***@***.***-foundation.org>, Peter Baumann
    <***@***.***-university.de>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, MIngfang Wu <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: [rda-geospatial-ig] RDA Geospatial IG - Update
    Hi,
    With respect, a spatial / geospatial component cuts across the vast majority of scientific / research data, a bit like having an “Integer IG”. The group would need to have a more unique mission in order for it to be worth time from other geospatially oriented groups.
    There are both geospatial interoperability issues with much of the research (meta)data out there, and issues of effective research collaboration for geospatial data scientists. An IG charter that called out these issues, identified important relationships with other groups (such as the OGC University DWG or OGC-W3C SDW Interest Group to pick random examples), and specific goals such as advancement of O&M / SOSA / SSN / GeoSPARQL in research data might go someways towards activating the rather extensive membership list with which the Geospatial IG is blessed.
    Best Regards,
    Josh
    Josh Lieberman, Ph.D.
    Director Innovation Programs | Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)
    Office: +1-617-431-6431 | @geospatialogist
    ***@***.*** | ogc.org | @opengeospatial
    On Jul 21, 2021, at 12:53 PM, GeoEducator via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    Yes,
    We will look at ways to reinvigorate...
    What is needed to keep us going?
    Thanks,
    Dr. Branch
    On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 11:25 AM Secretariat via Geospatial IG <***@***.***-groups.org> wrote:
    Dear Co-chairs
    We are contacting you with regard to your RDA Geospatial IG, more specifically to seek clarification on the Group’s level of activity. We note that the Group has not had a working session at an RDA Plenary since Plenary 11 and we have not seen any activity on the group page for some time.
    The RDA wants groups to be active during their lifespan. At this point, your group looks like it is inactive and may need to be retired. However, we would be happy to support you in re-invigorating the group if you think this makes sense.
    Please respond to this email by 12th August 2021 and let us know your preference. Of course, if you have any questions, we would be happy to answer them.
    Thank you very much!
    Best wishes
    RDA Secretariat
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  • Peter Baumann's picture

    Author: Peter Baumann

    Date: 22 Jul, 2021

    many good thoughts here indeed!
    But essentially IMHO it boils down to:
    many good thoughts here indeed!
    But essentially IMHO it boils down to:
    On 21.07.21 18:53, GeoEducator via Geospatial IG wrote:
    > Yes,
    >
    > We will look at ways to reinvigorate...
    >
    > What is needed to keep us going?
    an active membership body.
    best,
    Peter
    PS: Additionally, in my case no funding agency currently supports work of ours
    in RDA.

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