Re: [datadiscovery] UTC 8pm, Tuesday 2 Nov.: A kickoff discussion with Dr....

03 Nov 2017
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Dear Ming,
Thanks so much for recording and posting the presentation.
Helping repositories make their datasets more discoverable and
useful has been a primary goal of the DDPIG since its inception,
and use of schema.org markup is mentioned in Recommendation 9 of
our Best Practices for Data Repositories: "Make records easily
indexed and searchable by major web search engines".
I interpreted Natasha's suggestion regarding the focus a new
DDPIG group that it should work with the schema.org community on
standardizing how datasets are described, perhaps recommending new
attributes, etc. I personally feel the group (task force) should
incorporate best practices and interactions with the respective
communities also working on
href="https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/">Vocab-DCAT and W3C
standards for
href="https://www.w3.org/standards/techs/dataontheweb">data on
the web in general, with an end goal of producing a document
(and RDA output) with specific recommendations to repositories on
how to best use these technologies for making their data
discoverable. I realize google has already provided
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href="https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/datasets">guidelines
for using schema.org for describing datasets, so our
recommendations could address the tradeoffs between using
schema.org and DCAT, with perhaps some further implementation
guidelines.

I'm interested in hearing from others what sounds like a good
approach for this new group.

Cheers,
SiriJodha
On 11/2/17 6:44 PM, mingfang wrote:

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Dear All,

I have posted recording of today's session with Natasha in
the RDA DDP IG wiki space. Here is
href="https://www.rd-alliance.org/making-data-discoverable-web-search-engines"
moz-do-not-send="true">the link. The recording is an
hour long, about 95MB.

A following up action will be to draft a proposal for a new
task force within this DDP IG. The scope of this new task
force is open for discussion, it may include exchanging
experience of implementing
moz-do-not-send="true">schema.org markup and
observing/measuring benefit over a period of time, among many
other possibilities. If you would like to co-lead the task
force or contribute to directions of the task force, please
let me (or three other co-chairs of the interest group: Anita,
Fotis and SiriJodha) know.

Again, thanks Natasha and those who participated today, we
had a good
discussion.

Regards,
Ming

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Dear All,

I am glad to inform you that Dr.
Natasha Noy from Research at Google has
accepted our invitation to introduce us
the effort Google has put into data
discovery and Google's guidelines for data
repositories to make data more easily
discoverable by web search engines.

You may recall that our  Best Practices
Task Force has drafted
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b7YuUkUzyCGAxui8HGp1L-sDFi_-iS6jy_ya-N-kQFU/edit?usp=sharing"
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white paper
"Data Discovery Paradigms: User
Requirements and Recommendations for Data
Repositories", which recommends ten best
practices for data repositories to address
user requirements of finding data.  One of
the recommendations is to make metadata
records easily index-able and search-able
by major search engines. I am sure Dr.
Noy's talk will provide us with some
hands-on guidelines on how to implement
this recommendation. 

Please mark the following date and time in
your calendar for this kickoff talk and
discussion.

When:

UTC-time: Thursday, 2 Nov. 2017 at 8:00pm;

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    Date: 03 Nov, 2017

    SiriJodha,
    This seems like a good way of thinking about it. It is a great idea to leverage the RDA as a forum to bring in folks from related communities such as the DCAT/W3C ones. The orientation towards recommendations for, eg the repository communities, is also very positive. There is also potential to engage with identifier services providers such as DataCite.
    Cheers,
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    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] UTC 8pm, Tuesday 2 Nov.: A kickoff discussion with Dr....
    Dear Ming,
    Thanks so much for recording and posting the presentation.
    Helping repositories make their datasets more discoverable and useful has been a primary goal of the DDPIG since its inception, and use of schema.org markup is mentioned in Recommendation 9 of our Best Practices for Data Repositories: "Make records easily indexed and searchable by major web search engines".
    I interpreted Natasha's suggestion regarding the focus a new DDPIG group that it should work with the schema.org community on standardizing how datasets are described, perhaps recommending new attributes, etc. I personally feel the group (task force) should incorporate best practices and interactions with the respective communities also working on Vocab-DCAT and W3C standards for data on the web in general, with an end goal of producing a document (and RDA output) with specific recommendations to repositories on how to best use these technologies for making their data discoverable. I realize google has already provided guidelines for using schema.org for describing datasets, so our recommendations could address the tradeoffs between using schema.org and DCAT, with perhaps some further implementation guidelines.
    I'm interested in hearing from others what sounds like a good approach for this new group.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 11/2/17 6:44 PM, mingfang wrote:
    Dear All,
    I have posted recording of today's session with Natasha in the RDA DDP IG wiki space. Here is the link. The recording is an hour long, about 95MB.
    A following up action will be to draft a proposal for a new task force within this DDP IG. The scope of this new task force is open for discussion, it may include exchanging experience of implementing schema.org markup and observing/measuring benefit over a period of time, among many other possibilities. If you would like to co-lead the task force or contribute to directions of the task force, please let me (or three other co-chairs of the interest group: Anita, Fotis and SiriJodha) know.
    Again, thanks Natasha and those who participated today, we had a good discussion.
    Regards,
    Ming
    On 26 October 2017 at 21:20, Mingfang Wu <***@***.***> wrote:
    Dear All,
    I am glad to inform you that Dr. Natasha Noy from Research at Google has accepted our invitation to introduce us the effort Google has put into data discovery and Google's guidelines for data repositories to make data more easily discoverable by web search engines.
    You may recall that our Best Practices Task Force has drafted a white paper "Data Discovery Paradigms: User Requirements and Recommendations for Data Repositories", which recommends ten best practices for data repositories to address user requirements of finding data. One of the recommendations is to make metadata records easily index-able and search-able by major search engines. I am sure Dr. Noy's talk will provide us with some hands-on guidelines on how to implement this recommendation.
    Please mark the following date and time in your calendar for this kickoff talk and discussion.
    When:
    UTC-time: Thursday, 2 Nov. 2017 at 8:00pm;
    San Francisco: Thursday, 2 Nov. 2017 at 1:00pm;
    New York: Thursday, 2 Nov. 2017 at 4:00pm;
    London: Thursday, 2 Nov. 2017 at 8:00pm;
    Melbourne: Friday 3 Nov. 2017 at 7:00am
    How:
    Join from a PC, Mac, iPad, iPhone or Android device:
    Please click this URL to start or join. https://monash.zoom.us/j/402283445
    Or, go to https://monash.zoom.us/join and enter meeting ID: 402 283 445
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    Dial: +61 3 99059666 (+61 3 9905 ZOOM) or +61 2 8015 2088 Toll-free dial: +61 18 0089 3423 (US/Canada only) Meeting ID: 402 283 445
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    Hope to see more of you online for this event!
    Regards,
    Ming
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